Invaluable is the world's largest marketplace for art, antiques, and collectibles. Or did they come across them in a more nefarious scenario? They did the right thing but the real mystery is how did they come to be there? Nell Rose (author) from England on May 15, 2015: Hi brake, yes it was on tv, it made a real storm over here. Winslow Homer was a landscape artist. Nell Rose (author) from England on January 07, 2020: Maybe Peter, I do wish they would do a follow up about this, it is so frustrating. She was on holiday, and just happened to find it when she was looking for something in the said paper! Sir Henry Arthur Blake had been the Governor of the Bahamas from 1884 to 1887. They didn't have any frames, and if he had left them there, they would have been ruined by the rain. lol! the haves have more, the poor have les and nobody cares! Had Selina's dad not had the wherewithal to add it to his collectibles, this wouldn't even be an issue.  Mr. Murray conducted further research among his family's papers and claims to have found a letter which described the circumstances under which the painting was produced.. As for your painting, that must be so frustrating. I was very disappointed with the way the show ended. Aha Penny, do tell! Thanks for reading, nell. Being self taught, he practised with water colours and started his career as a commercial illustrator. I gather it was on TV or in the paper, and you took the story and made it into a great hub. Remember, they had the painting for 20 years. The Painting was going up for sale at Sotheby's. As you say, the painting was salvaged from a dumpster.  Ms. Varney rejected the revised offer and Sotheby's followed their normal policy, withdrawing the painting because they could not guarantee a good title to anyone who bought the work. Not only is Simon rich, he is also a lawyer. Tarot Cards - Pick Three Cards For A Free Reading. we want details! They were not very helpful! My view is 65/35 Salina/Murray would have been reasonable and found money to him. "The fact is that the Painting ended up in the Rubbish dump somehow. " In other words Selena may not have much say or push in court, but a top business man will. Nothing like this had ever happened to her. They wanted to sell the painting and give Selina just 25 percent of the proceeds. Certainly, Schorer has deeper pockets than Selena. Tony liked collecting things, in fact he has quite a collection of old pictures and other objects, that he likes to keep. Only a change of ownership from Selena to Clifford has maybe helped to alter the dynamics of the argument. Winslow Homer's Children Under a Palm Tree Painting Scandal. I watched this today. I can't believe it's taking this long for the courts to declare who the rightful owner actually is. This is a popular TV program made by the BBC. Picking up something at the dump, I certainly would not report it to the police. Nell Rose (author) from England on August 19, 2020: Exactly Shauna, it was just greed. thanks for reading, nell. There shouldn't have been a problem. I cannot stand or bear a mean spirit...... Selina, if you read this, get to mediation, put this xxxxx behind you.. Nell Rose (author) from England on May 29, 2015: Just came back to say I have been looking it up and realise that this news is out there on the internet so I can add it here, thanks again, nell, Hi Penny, thanks for clarifying it. Simon Murray, Sir Henry's great great grandson, gave an interview on camera stating that actually yes they did know of it, and refused to budge on the issue. thanks for reading, nell. They are not a wealthy family, and Selina was really excited to think that she could use the money for the children to help them with their future. I say "finders keepers, losers weepers". I think we should start a "raise the funds" Paige for selina, get her her Original 30k for her kids and she cN do away with all this crap and have a wonderful life!! I do wish we could get a more up to date answer though. VALUELESS.....unless each take 50%. Homer had Painted the photo when they'd just about all met up abroad. They knew nothing about it.'. The Blakes believe it is a family portrait and therefore it should go back to them.  The painting was withdrawn with only three lots to go - unusually close to the sale time. outrageous. After so many years, finders keepers ought to be the verdict. There's no way it should be given to them. I even wrote to Sotheby's! It would be good to see whats happened now. Nell Rose (author) from England on May 28, 2015: Than;ks Penny, Phew! So, leaning down, he brushed of the dirt, and decided to take them home to keep them safe from ruin. Buy online, view images and see past prices for WINSLOW HOMER - DOWN THE CLIFF. I do wish they would do an update, it is very frustrating though. Winslow Homer (24. veljače 1836. Uniek aanbod (tweedehands) boeken. One other thing that I think should be mentioned. He states, ' I feel sorry for her, I really do, I know she wanted the money for a swimming pool or loads of cars'!  Sotheby's responded that the ownership of the painting was still disputed and should be settled in the courts. Nell Rose (author) from England on March 08, 2017: LOL! Join Facebook to connect with Clifford J. Schorer and others you may know. So surely the law just has to decide whether if you throw something away, have you a claim to it now? Certainly not the admiration of the art world and fans of great art. they binned it, simple as that, and they just won't give up, greedy! The painting was not framed and was subsequently included among a number of works by Lady Blake who was herself an amateur artist. On top of that she can charge a 30 percent finders fee of the valuation of the painting. We're they 'garbage picking' in the tip but too proud to admit it and claimed that they were outside the gates? The whole thing is ridiculous. Simon Murray, a lawyer, had the gall to malign the people who found it on the rubbish heap and rescued it, by saying he knew they were hoping to use the money for swimming pools and motor cars. Nell Rose (author) from England on February 13, 2014: Hi Mark, sorry its taken me a while to answer, just came on here. it will be interesting to see what happens next! Yes it would be great to go back home to where Homer comes from. For example, some art works acquired (?stolen) by the Nazis before and during WWII from Jewish families, have been returned to descendants after expensive court cases. Someone else has claimed ownership of "Children". This does not need litigation. In order to prove that the painting was stolen, the Blakes need to pŕovide a Police report. Now he tells Selena Varney, give me 70-75% of any money raised and I'll allow the sale to go ahead. As she has not repaid the loan, his lawsuit claims he's the rightful owner. It was featured in the second episode of the BBC TV series Fake or Fortune? In her later years, Olive was described by one of her grandsons as being "a formidable looking woman of whom I was somewhat frightened".. thanks for reading, nell. He loaned Selena an undisclosed amount of money for the transfer of ownership. It hasn't. They stated that as it was a family piece then it should automatically come back to the family. Local knowledge. Each case will have to be treated individually according to the laws of the court involved. Since they have a standard of not marketing anything without complete agreement on authenticity by their panels, I was out of luck. Seems to me that Simon Murray's family should have some insurance records of the painting from before the painting was found on the dump. He also practised printmaking. I was desperately short of sleep when I keyed in the above. No police report, no proof it was stolen. But it does seem that the financial gain goes to the lawyers. A perfect depiction of greed and petty behavior of a sneaky man. Nell Rose (author) from England on August 17, 2020: I totally agree Robin. I think there must be a statute of limitations of some sort in this case -- you shouldn't be able to suddenly report a theft 25 years after the fact and establish ownership of an object as stolen goods that are rightfully yours.  Clifford Schorer says the painting was used as security for a loan and that he is now entitled to it, the Blake family having failed to make a claim in a US court. Nell Rose (author) from England on September 12, 2014: I never realised that Genee, Wow! Who knows. Great hub, I watched the TV programme the other night about the painting. The hosts were indulging him and his significant proof of provenance, I get it, but did not mention that this has NOTHING to do with proof of ownership. TV's, sofa's, chairs and broken pieces of rubbish that they no longer want. It is still an ongoing case. Or they moved in after their relative had died and they inherited the house. It said that late in life, Homer had become a recluse in Maine, so I was curious as to how and where he would've met up with the Blakes to do "Children" in the first place. Property that has been abandoned does not belong to anyone and the legal owner who has abandoned it cannot later change their mind when they discover its true worth.  Tom Christopherson, European General Counsel for Sotheby's, said that the Murrays were contacted by Sotheby's, as part of routine due diligence, prior to the auction. We have wealthy relatives who you would not believe would have done the most appalling things to a 90 year old. Children Under a Palm (or sometimes Children Under a Palm Tree) is a water colour painting by Winslow Homer. They made the mistake of letting go of the painting somehow. Thanks Bishop. It is in watercolour and pencil. If the family don't have the records then the insurers might have these records. Previous owners were Oliver Cromwell and Sir Walter Raleigh. The fact is that the Painting ended up in the Rubbish dump somehow. Unless there is something else we don't know, but anyway, thanks so much for the update, I wish the stalemate would end, it must be driving her and the family nuts! Homer blev uddannet som litograf i sin fødeby, senere på New Yorks Nationalakademi. – 29.rujna 1910.)  He gave the painting to his daughter Selina Varney. Nell Rose (author) from England on December 08, 2018: Hi Lindsay, I tried searching all the sites going back a while but nothing new I am afraid. Clifford has since tried to retrieve the Painting from Sotheby's but they still refuse to let him take it. the court should decided for goodness sake.. as for simon murray, what a pompous ass he was, when i watched that episode all those years ago i could believe people could be so far up themselves as Simon Murray, he's idiot and pathetic stab at Selena purchasing a pool.. twit that he was, i am glad he lost his claim. bio je američki slikar i grafičar, poznat po pejzažima i pomorskim motivima, te kao jedan od najznačajnih likovnih umjetnika u SAD-u u 19. stoljeću.Bio je samouki umjetnik, a karijeru je započeo kao ilustrator za novine. https://fresh-foodz.com.au Fresh-Foodz - Daily Needs Online. It’s utterly disgusting to hear him ridicule Selena and her family by making the ironic remark that her sole aspirations are to buy swimming pools and cars. You are so right! It's been awhile, but I still think Sotheby's KNOWS its jewels are in a wringer because they didn't do the all important due diligence and verify the provenance of the painting BEFORE agreeing to include it in an auction. thanks, that sounds interesting! Nell Rose (author) from England on June 03, 2015: Thanks Penny, Yes you are right, if it all goes wrong then she will be in big trouble, sorry if you were upset at angiii's comment, I appreciate your writing and letting me know, nell. seems being truthful doesn't get you anywhere these days! Penny and al: the new owner of the painting is Clifford Schorer, the head of the Board of Directors of the Worcester Museum in Massachusetts, which has sued Sotheby's in the New York State Supreme Court to obtain ownership of the painting. It is only when the item was VALUED that an interest and family need to own it was established. I will keep my eyes open thought, and will update if there is anything new. thanks, looks like selena and new hubby are off to a new york court very soon. I take umbrage with Simon Murray’s comments accusing Selina of wanting the money to buy a swimming pool and cars while he’s the one saying he needs the money for renovations! When dealing with courts and lawyers, things advance at glacial speed whilst the costs reach Himalayan heights, In other words, there is no incentive for anyone (other than the claimants) to speed up a conclusion. Unfortunately, I have a bit of experience in trying to get Sotheby's to sell a piece. Nell Rose (author) from England on April 23, 2016: Thanks paul, my thoughts exactly! At this point, it shouldn't be the people who tossed the scrapbook out along with the painting it contained and are now claiming it was stolen -- that claim is obvious horsehockey, based on the greed of someone who is already wealthy. It is a shame that an agreement - say 50/50 - could not have been achieved - thereby saving a lot of legal fees and stress. or been advised that, because I am sure those Blakes would have shut up then! I do understand both parties. you have been very British and polite about the mean minded comments of Penny Rose. It's a page turner indeed. Born on February 24 1836, he was well known for painting marine subjects. When Simon Murray, identified the photo, he said the family still had the urn, that they had found and was in the picture. I used to think vanity was my favourite sin, now I think it has changed to greed. Winslow Homer (February 24, 1836 – September 29, 1910) was an American landscape painter and printmaker, best known for his marine subjects.He is considered one of the foremost painters in 19th-century America and a preeminent figure in American art. Being most profficient in both water colours and oil, he soon became very well known. After investigation, they found that the painting was indeed an authentic Winslow Homer. Winslow Homer - beroemde schilderijen collectie. This is a place where everyone comes to throw away all their old garbage. A very important water colourist in America in the 19th Century. Sotheby's. The fact is, Simon Murray and his family never reported any burglary or burglaries of any kind. The family believed the painting was by her. Embrace the fact that moderation, humility and kindness are virtues and not weaknesses.  A preview of the sale appeared in the Daily Telegraph. The latest news on this amazing story is that Clifford Schorer a rich entrepreneur, says he loaned Selena Rendall an unspecified amount of money in 2012, and she backed the loan with the painting - which is estimated to be worth as much as $250,000. Nell Rose (author) from England on October 24, 2016: Thanks Pennies Christie. I find Murray's comments on how Selina would spend the money on a swimming pool etc. and what a proverbial ass is the great grandson and the rest of the Blake family for making this claim . In 1987, the painting, along with a work by Lady Blake and other material related to the Blake family, was found by Tony Varney while fishing in Ireland. BRING THE PAINTING TO COURT AND THREATEN TO SAW IT INTO 2. surely he would have noticed something missing over 20 years for goodness sake! Largely self-taught, Homer began his career working as a commercial illustrator. So this was an exciting time. Born in Boston and raised in rural Cambridge, he began his career as a commercial printmaker, first in Boston and then in New York, where he settled in … In this exciting new monograph, Professor Griffin provides fresh insight into the life and work of one of America's most-famous and best-loved artists. , At a later date, the painting was placed on the Art Loss Register, operated by a commercial company based in London which charges a fee to register stolen paintings. The work was painted in the Bahamas in 1885. Even they mentioned that they would have been ruined in a hours or a day if left exposed. thanks again, and have a great weekend, nell. "Finders keepers" does not apply in all situations or jurisdictions. For a few years he attended The National Academy of Design, and then went on to study with Frederic Rondel, who taught him the basics of Painting. IF (and for only two letters, that's a very big word) Simon Murray's very convenient photocopies of his great-great-granny's diary mention that Winslow Homer promised to present her with a "sketch" of her three children in their costumes from the ball. Does this mean you believe Selina and her family were in the wrong? In 2009, Selina and her father packed their case and headed off to New York. The Blakes are entitled to nothing. This is a real life 'Goldfinch". Nell Rose (author) from England on May 01, 2018: Thanks Kiri, I am glad that Selena found a way out, good for her. This woman and her Dad are the legitimate owners, and left it foar too late to cause this chaos. She had also been given the Auction Catalogue which shows clearly the Painting and the sale price. And this is also refutable as it's only through the Salina's word on their find. Nobody had ever reported it missing, or stolen. For all we know the original owners could have thrown it all out when cleaning out the house. She doesn't need the money, got a pub with new husband, got a loan from a third party on the painting.... Nell Rose (author) from England on February 16, 2015: Hi Heath, yes I totally agree with you! But yes I totally agree with you, I never ran a pub but worked in one and yes hard work! Tony Varney, a fisherman and his daughter Selina, had gone fishing at his local spot, in County Cork, Ireland. lol! He is a wealthy individual who is clueless to living in the real world. He learned that the work, Children Under a Palm Tree, had most likely been painted by Winslow Homer. On the way back, they happened to walk past a Rubbish Dump. It is in watercolour and pencil. Mary Craig from New York on September 12, 2014: I'm so glad you brought this one back Nell. I personally think the family that found the painting should be entitled to the total amount especially as there was no evidence of a burglary. The man is a barrister for god's sake. I got interested again after reading about Winslow Homer in a coffee table book about a San Antonio TX couple's collection of 26 Impressionist paintings they'd loaned to the Smithsonian's art gallery in Washington, D.C. He can't just take the painting without showing on paper that she put the painting up as collateral. Somehow, there had been a claim on the Painting! Selina is a part time carer, and has four children. Nell Rose (author) from England on January 31, 2014: Hi Garp, yes that's so true, I did try getting in touch with Sotheby's but to no avail, they wouldn't give me any info, it seems its a stand off still! After a statutorily defined period of time, it's too late to shout "Theft, theft!" There was no burglary, as the Blakes stated in the first place. It's strange that this is still going on and Sotherby's have still not released the painting. The painting was in fact worth more. If the painting had not been rescued it would be ruined and there would be no issue. Even a magistrate would agree. Thanks as always. Nell Rose (author) from England on September 13, 2014: I would seek out a lawyer pro bono or on fixed fee, and challenge Sotheby's... for wrongful possession. This man, who comes from a family that is so wealthy they can jet of around the world just when they feel like it, belittles Selina, who is a kind and loving mother. the insurance would definitely have proved it so yes they should have records. You can see how out of synch her comments are. Clifford J. Schorer, Producer: Plutonium Baby.  Mr. Murray initially offered Ms. Varney 25% of the sale proceeds as a "finder's fee". I am so glad this lady has found a level of happiness, after the auction house attitude, and the sheet arrogance of the Murray family members. Joanna McKenna from Central Oklahoma on September 12, 2014: For the record, Sotheby's has a long-standing policy of yanking items from auctions at the last minute if there's the slightest whiff of dispute of ownership. In other words she was calling Sotheby's a liar. Joanna McKenna from Central Oklahoma on December 29, 2013: Hey, Nell! luckily she played him at his own game, lol! that's the contention I think, yes those lawyers must be raking in the money by now, thanks so much for reading, nell. Some artists work on a sketch or two, and then go on to their final painting, much as a writer will work on a draft. It's no coincidence that he is offering Varney 25-30% of a painting est. Winslow Homer (1836–1910) is regarded by many as the greatest American painter of the nineteenth century.  It measures 14 inches by 20 inches and depicts the three children of Sir Henry Blake, the colonial governor of the Bahamas at the time. I don't think it will ever be sorted out to be honest, its one of those things that could go on for years! Nell Rose (author) from England on June 09, 2015: Hi Linda, yep I did wonder if it was that Clifford Shorer, I looked him up. The family believe it disappeared from Myrtle Grove after a series of robberies in the 1980s, although Philip Mould notes that there was no crime reported. Taking the search further they realised that one of the other paintings found, had a connection to Homer, and the search was on to try and find out more about the story. Those who have not, have not, but those who have want more.... Nell Rose (author) from England on November 30, 2014: Hi Funda, I totally agree with you, I keep looking for news on this but nothing seems to have happened, and its quite a long time now, its disgusting how they have been treated, thanks so much for reading, nell. The case is still going on nearly three years after the first visit to the Antique Roadshow. I do know of her. Nell Rose (author) from England on September 01, 2017: Hi Pelleas, no sorry. You would not break into a house, steal an old picture without a frame, take it outside, look at it then throw it on the dump! So the intrigue goes on! In fact most value their artwork yearly. Alternatively, "the family" could have bought it at auction if they were suddenly so desperate. It seems to me that leveraging property you may not own as collateral for a loan is a smart move, and she is being advised by a very good property attorney. brilliant Tibor! If they were worthy of it, they would not discard the painting as rubbish. Nell Rose (author) from England on February 03, 2020: If you read down the page, the answer is there. What a little pig he is. Imogen French from Southwest England on October 05, 2020: Fascinating story. And the family barrister is just using that story as leverage in what amounts to an extortion of money from the rightful owner of the painting. Homer had then given their descendants the actual Painting like a gift. It sounds like Selina has done pretty well out of this, and good luck to her! At this point, Sotheby's had been in contact with Mrs. Blake, and she was told about the Painting. The one advantage of all the publicity surrounding the story is that the Painting will increase in price. This, say the Blakes is irrefutable proof that the painting is theirs. Audrey Selig from Oklahoma City, Oklahoma on May 15, 2015: Hi Nell You certainly wrote on a popular topic and received lots of responses. Little does he know that one day his picture will cause a battle that not only involves the Law Courts, but also will involve the greatest Auction House of Today. Winslow Homer On The Cliff Cullercoats 1. Nell Rose (author) from England on July 14, 2020: Not sure what you mean by Goldfinch? Thanks for reading. Pigs. , The painting was featured in the second episode of the BBC TV programme, Fake or Fortune? I have no doubt that at one time the painting had belonged to the Blakes but come on... without the Dad finding these paintings and saving them there would be nothing for the Blakes to claim and nothing is what they should receive. Thanks for reading. Maybe that is what the Blake family are hoping for. In November 2013, a Massachusetts man named Clifford Schorer says he loaned Selena Rendell an unspecified amount and she used the painting as collateral. After colonial service in Jamaica and Hong Kong, the Blakes retired to Myrtle Grove in Youghal, County Cork, Ireland. At the same time, they decided to put it up for sale at Sotheby's. I know where these lot are going. Now there's a thought. He doesn't need to prove the painting is rightfully his, he just needs to cast doubt over the ownership so that the painting can't be sold. I didn't read the entire list of comments, but got the gist of what has happened.  It was included in their sale on 21 May 2009. The 'well Selina is alright she married and owns a pub'.....try running one, and you will what hard work it is. That said, I DO like angiiiii's "solution"...sort of. I felt an instant dislike to the great grandson and his attitude to toward the family. And I fully disagree with the author regarding splitting the proceeds. Great story. Account en lijsten Retourzendingen en bestellingen. I love it on the Antiques Roadshow when they discover a lost painting or valuable item - you always think it's going to mean a happy ending. Therefore he knows exactly how to handle the case. thanks for reading, nell. it seems they went into action the second they thought they would lose money! The sketch for it, perhaps, as Edith Blake's diary attests. It is always, but always, those who have it who want more. Even worse, they claim that nobody had got in touch with them about it, and the first that they knew about the Painting was when Mrs. Blake had seen it in the newspaper in the States! Kasnije se preorijentirao na slikanje uljenim bojama, da bi kasnije radio u akvarelu. Thanks for sharing a story that you made easy to understand. Despite their honest purchase or acquisition, they were considered to have received "stolen goods". As she states,' If we hadn't found the painting, it would have been ruined within a couple of days, or even a few hours. Thanks for reading. Selina and her father, have been offered 25 per cent of the sale, and the rest of the money is to go to the Drakes. In my case, five of the six experts on their assessment panel were certain that my painting was a genuine Jane Peterson, and the sixth was adamant that, while an original artwork, my painting was by some unknown other artist who signed as J. Peterson. This is a very interesting case from a legal perspective. no wonder its still stuck at Sotheby's! Thanks for reading, nell. Oscars Best Picture Winners Best Picture Winners Golden Globes Emmys STARmeter Awards San Diego Comic-Con New York Comic-Con Sundance Film Festival Toronto Int'l Film Festival Awards Central Festival Central All Events Either way the original owner, for whatever reason, decided at the time, that they didn't want the Painting, along with other goods, and threw them away. Murray is simply indulging in legal thuggery. Nell Rose (author) from England on October 26, 2014: Hi Gillianisme, yes I will update this as soon as I hear anything, thanks so much for reading, and I totally agree with you! From what I gather, Selena has moved on and purchased a pub. The descendants of Sir Henry Arthur Blake, who was a British Colonial administrator, back in the 19th Century, stated that the painting was of Sir Henry's children, so therefore the painting still belonged to them! Without an injuction, without any form off proof, the other party had stopped the sale! In fact Tony Varney and Selina, were more interested in the history of the piece. Family does not deserve it or the painting itself. At storage and management fees rates of an expensive painting like this she can charge 3000 pounds a year for over 20 years. We saved it. Then how do we know that Mr Murray hasn’t sold the painting, taken it to the pound shop or tipped it away? Sigh. They explained that they had no record of a burglary, and no recollection of the actual work. That of course is what would happen if Selina agreed. Homer had then given their descendants the Painting as a gift. but the new owner still has a long way to go. Nobody had ever reported it missing, and in fact they hadn't even known of its existence. It's also amazing that this has been in limbon for so many years-Salina's kids are all grown and though college now, ostensibly what the proceeds would have been for. And at the beginning, the family were not interested in the Painting. Its just ridiculous now, surely they can sort something out? As for the painting I think it is disgusting how Selina has been treated, and I hope that one day it works out for her, thanks for reading, nell. all I know is that surely they can come to some agreement. Nell Rose (author) from England on December 29, 2013: Hi JamaGenee, great to see you! He soon turned his talent to oil painting. Murray is overprivileged and arrogant, too rich for his own good, and, clearly, he has no understanding of people who actually have to work for a living to support themselves to any degree of modest comfort. Nell Rose (author) from England on October 23, 2014: Hi Todd, I totally agree with everything you say, its just plain stupid, and as for the remark about swimming pools etc I was so mad when I heard him say it! G. S. 2020 comment on September 23, 2020: If Mr. Shorer wins and the painting ends up In Worcester Museum ( in Connecticut), it couldn’t have a better home. 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